Rocket Appartamento BUY NOW Features Single boiler, heat exchaner Vibratory Pump E61 Group Head No PID Temperature Control Pre In Plus, given my usage, I don't think the larger, more expensive Profitec Pro 600 double boiler is necessary. From what I understand, the ring group in the 300 is more thermally consistent, plus the PID directly controls the brew temp so that's nice. by Capac (original poster) » July 2nd, 2018, 10:19 am, #4: I'm now torn between the Pro 500, Pro 600 and Pro 700, but I am unsure of whether the jump would be worth it. I know some prefer saturated group heads like the LM. It's true that cooling flushes are not required. Exactly what I wanted to hear. As an S1 Dream owner I would say that some of the top things I like about the machine are the overall power, the temperature control and stability, and that it's volumetric. No problem with back to back shots. If your main focus is espresso, the Profitec Pro 300 is a lovely, consistent machine. Pro 500 vs. La Spaziale S1, Profitec 500 PID vs Bezzera Magica E61 PID. The Pro 300 … Profitec's Pro 600 is an incredible value dual boiler espresso machine … I went with the 500 because, I wanted to do flow control (using the optional E61 flow control device). My main issue with the 500 is that since the PID controls the steam boiler, you are never sure what your brew temperature is, unless you install a group thermometer (which isn't possible with the flow control device since it uses a group pressure gauge where you would normally put the thermometer). Legal disclaimer and copyright: This content Why the Pro 500? You'll be hamstrung in steam capacity, especially with so many back to back milk drinks. When you need it, you can make drinks effortlessly, or when your mood calls for it, you can easily trail blaze and add your own personal touches to drinks. The 300 only heats up fast because it has tiny boilers. Profitec Pro 500/cleaning and maintenance From Whole Latte Love Support Library Pro 500 needs a little more time but no more time than a Pro 300 would also need. For 6-12oz drinks, we’d recommend the Profitec Pro 500 because of its maximum steam power, timeless style and simple serviceability. Pro 500 will be more forgiving on shot prep due to E61 but temp management is easier on Pro 300. Post Which one is better … by Capac » July 2nd, 2018, 9:29 am, #2: I struggled between it and the Pro 300 and wish I had gotten the Pro 300 because as others have said, you do go through a lot of water and you aren't totally sure where you're at temp wise. The Pro 300 uses a pressure stat to control the steam boiler's temperature, which in this case results in lower steam pressure. 300 owner here. All 3 machines are very good. Get the 500 and a grouphead thermometer. Flushing isn't a big deal. The … On the other hand, if you only plan to make occasional milk-based drinks, a lack of steam isn’t necessarily a drawback. Dimensions. Will it be ready for another shot by the time I've rinsed the portafilter, ground, and tamped? Pro 500 HEAT EXCHANGER SYSTEM MACHINE WITH PID CONTROL The classic design of the polished stainless steel housing with a high-end, massive E 61 brewing group is rounded off by … With an hx machine you will still need to do cooling flushes to get the desired brew temp you want. If your main focus is espresso, the Profitec Pro 300 is a lovely, consistent machine. Heating time is a wonder. So narrowing down machines, I'm looking for something that will be used for mainly espresso and one milk drink at a time, but that will have … The larger boiler on the HX machine should steam faster, but they'll both be fine for a single drink. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, ProfitecPro500+FC,BaristaExpress,Kinu M47,Specialita,Niche Zero. Once you switch on the steam mode, it only takes about 90 seconds to generate enough steam to froth up a 12-ounce pitcher of milk. Profitec Pro 700 or ECM Synchronika: Which is The Right Espresso Machine for Me? Post However being an HX, the 500 has a more complicated routine (longer heating time, cooling flush) and the PID isn't directly controlling the brew temperature. Price wise, I'd say the 500 is the top of the budget. Imagine this: Through a combination of simple features, you’re able to easily make delicious espresso every time. I believed the reviews that said temperature management on the 500 was much better than on older HX designs due to its improved thermosyphon. It will get to temp you set way faster then you get another basket ready. Considering Profitec 700... where should I buy it? E61 Group. I'm concerned about the back to back shot ability of the 300 given the small boiler -- though it does have the benefit of faster recovery. Thus, based on your "must" third criteria, the choice between the Rocket and the Profitec has to be the Pro 300… by JayBeck replying to maxbmello » July 2nd, 2018, 1:44 pm, #9: Profitec Pro 300 vs 700. Profitec Pro 300 vs LUCCA A53 Mini vs Quick Mill QM67 Evo; Vetrano 2B, Duetto, M58, Pro 700, R58 and Synchronika; ECM Special Edition Classika vs Profitec 300 and Pro 500; Comparing heat exchangers like the Profitec Pro 500, Quick Mill Andreja Premium Evo, etc Profitec Pro 300 vs LUCCA A53 Mini vs Quick Mill QM67 Evo Vetrano 2B, Duetto, M58, Pro 700, R58 and Synchronika ECM Special Edition Classika vs Profitec 300 and Pro 500 My Crossland CC1 gave out so it's time to upgrade! I'm really happy with my 500. However being an HX, the 500 has a more complicated routine (longer heating time, cooling flush) and the PID isn't directly controlling the brew temperature. La Spaziale vs La Marzocco: Comparing Vivaldi II, LUCCA A53, Dream and Linea Mini; Comparing heat exchangers like the Profitec Pro 500, Quick Mill Andreja Premium Evo, etc; Profitec Pro 300 vs LUCCA A53 Mini vs Quick Mill QM67 Evo; Vetrano 2B, Duetto, M58, Pro 700, R58 and Synchronika; ECM Special Edition Classika vs Profitec 300 and Pro 500 It was not long ago that I was pondering the same thing myself. Pro 500 HEAT EXCHANGER SYSTEM MACHINE WITH PID CONTROL The classic design of the polished stainless steel housing with a high-end, massive E 61 brewing group is rounded off by the nostalgic rotary valves. Get the 500 and a grouphead thermometer. Subject: Re: Profitec Pro 300 vs 500? I would not buy an E61 HX machine without also getting the E61 thermometer. The Pro 700 is a great machine, but at £2100 it's a bit steep for many home baristas, and the Pro 600 is Profitec's answer to that. Compare: Rocket Appartamento vs. Profitec Pro 700 Two of the most popular prosumer espresso machines on the market from two of the most respected manufacturers. The 300 … Print Email Details Created: Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:56 Written by colin newell In an era of plastic and cheaply made products, it is a nice change to wrap your hands (and in this case your arms) around something very solidly made - … Water boiler is ready in around 5 min + couple mins for steam. As with the pro 700 the pro 600 is an E61 group machine. Post I would say that it is primarily the redesign Profitec did with its thermosyphon; however, I believe the PID is also helping. I don't think it's the PID negating the need for a cooling flush, maybe the thermosyphon design? Compare: Rocket Appartamento vs. Profitec Pro 700 Two of the most popular prosumer espresso machines on the market from two of the most respected manufacturers. More Bang for your Buck So as I mentioned the Profitec Pro 300 is prosumer level, dual-boiler with PID. It seems to be a common theme in this sub that people consider a relatively budget friendly option but then decided to upgrade to a substantially more expensive unit. Post I’ve heard good things about the pro500 hx mechanism not needing a purge (or much purge anyway) but I decided that at this price point, I didn’t really want to deal with any cooling flushes. 90% Americanos, but occasionally go through phases of lattes. If that sounds appe… Another consideration on the S1 Dream is that it's volumetric, I'm not sure if the other models you mentioned are. Recommendations for buyers and upgraders from the site's members. And you can have all that at, well a kind of amazing price. Good morning! If milk drinks are really rare for you, you could also consider the ECM Classika PID. I researched machines for ages and finally decided to buy the Profitec Pro 500. Post I paid $1050 for mine and I feel like for that price it's hard to beat the value for money. The larger boiler on the HX machine should steam faster, but they'll both be fine for a single drink. With regard to the e61, isn’t it just a standard unit that manufactures can create non-proprietary parts for? The Profitec Pro 500 is a heat exchanger espresso machine with a large 2-liter steam boiler, an E61 group head, internal water reservoir, and a surprisingly quiet vibratory pump. rights reserved. I do find the brew temperature to be very consistent, and I just vary it by changing the PID while dialing in for best results. I've had the Pro 500 PID for about 3-4 weeks now. 200 - 300 Drinks/Day 300 - 500 Drinks/Day 110 to 125 Volt By Business Type Small Restaurant Small Coffee Shop Large Busy Restaurants Large Busy Coffee Shops Business Offices Average Sized Restaurant Average Size Coffee Shop ... Profitec Pro 300… Thanks for the suggestion. Like, “I was considering an GCP but decided that an LMLM ticked more of the boxes for me so I went that.”. Leaning heavily towards 300, your comment reinforces that choice! That was on the shortlist at one point but ultimately cut it as the 300 isn't much more expensive. by maxbmello » July 2nd, 2018, 10:03 am, #3: Ended up biting the bullet for the pro600 though because I prefer the tried and true e-61 group head. He takes you on a tour each machine's features … Pressure Stats over shoot the target by up to 10 degrees and then cool in a similar pattern (aka the 'deadband' zone). Between those two machines, the Pro 500 PID offers incredibly stable brew temps and great steaming power. It also has a … The 300 will have issues past that. But, from my research, it looks like the ring group in the 300 is more thermally consistent. by maxbmello » July 2nd, 2018, 1:22 pm, #8: I like the Expobar Office Lever. On one hand, the natural pre-infusion is nice and I like the availability of parts. While I thought I had settled on a Profitec Pro 500, an unexpectedly large tax return is now making me second guess myself. Back then, I was an espresso newbie. Have you had that issue? I love the flow control, and it really seems to improve my shots. I had a similar decision to make when I got my new machine a couple of months ago. The Profitec Pro 600 is the more affordable sibling of the popular Profitec pro 700. All the PID does is replace a pressure stat, and will give you a more stable temperature in the boiler. Post You'll be hamstrung in steam capacity, especially with so many back to back milk drinks. Print Email Details Created: Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:56 Written by colin newell In an era of plastic and cheaply made products, it is a nice change … This is less a "hobby" for me and more of a way to get my morning 2-3 cappuccinos. 200 - 300 Drinks/Day 300 - 500 Drinks/Day 110 to 125 Volt By Business Type Small Restaurant Small Coffee Shop Large Busy Restaurants Large Busy Coffee Shops Business Offices Average … I have owned a Pro 500 (non-PID) for about a year. I highly recommend the 600, but either the 300 or 500 will be damn close in all reality. This is a feature I personally appreciate for overall consistency. Currently, I live alone and have 2-3 drinks a day. In the video below we'll be comparing our two most popular heat exchanger espresso machines – the Profitec Pro 500 and the ECM Mechanika V Slim. Recommendations for buyers and upgraders from the site's members. From what I understand, the … Considering pro 500 is PID equipped, aren't cooling flushes unnecessary? Mark shows this in the WLL video. by JayBeck » July 2nd, 2018, 10:47 am, #6: More Bang for your Buck So as I mentioned the Profitec Pro 300 is prosumer level, dual-boiler with PID. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Join Charles as he compares two of our favorite heat exchanger espresso machines, the Profitec Pro 500 PID and the ECM Mechanika V Slim. Good … Apparently that causes really long recovery times. Pro 500 will have more tricks up its sleeve like trickle preinfusion, extending preinfusion via dwell time, etc… This certainly helps with repeat-ability and consistency. For less than 6oz drinks, we’d … I'm divided on the E61 of the 500. Those with a 300, how quickly does it recovery? Living with the Profitec 300 DB Machine. The 300 only heats up fast because it has tiny boilers. La Spaz can handle a fast pace but it will need a few warming flushes after sitting idle for 10 minutes. One things that's taken the 500 out of consideration for me is that I've read that Profitec enabled eliminating the cooling flush by restricting water through the the grouphead. After owning a PID double boiler machine, I would consider going back to HX but probably not likely. by emason » November 15th, 2018, 2:55 pm. Post Six months on, I figure I owe it to the forum to post some feedback and help to contribute to the vast amount of knowledge here that helped decide on this machine in the first place. Post In either case, the 600 seems like an awesome machine. The Pro 300 serves as a fast and affordable dual boiler for people who don’t need tremendous steam power, while the Pro 700 is complete with dual PIDs, full sized boilers and a plumbable rotary pump. #1: by Capac (original poster) » July 2nd, 2018, 11:23 am, #7: It actually costs less than a number of well respected heat-exchange machines.So we’re huge fans of this machine’s big brother: the dual-boiler Pro 700 with The machine is absolute no brainer for a small family. and all its parts are copyrighted, all The brew group found in the Pro 300 and (some of) its competitors was designed for home use and warms up much, much faster than the E61 group, which was designed for commercial use. The Pro 300 serves as a fast and affordable dual boiler for people who don’t need tremendous steam power, while the Pro 700 is complete with dual PIDs, full sized boilers and a … And you can have all that at, well a kind of amazing price. And how's the latte art steaming. Which one is better for you? Der kleine Dualboiler von Profitec - die Profitec Pro 300 Dualboiler Espressomaschine, gibt ein schönes Ensemble zusammen mit der proT 64 Kaffeemühle. Todd from Whole Latte Love takes you on a tour of the Profitec Pro 500 semi-automatic espresso machine. The PID is going to keep the temp steady within 1 degree in the boiler. That said, if you can live without E61 and flow control, and want better control of your brew temperature, then you should go with the 300. It actually costs less than a number of well respected heat-exchange machines.So we’re huge fans of this machine’s big brother: the dual-boiler Pro … I find that I waste a lot of water doing that on my VBM, and prefer a double boiler if I were using a pump machine. During this time, you can be fetching the pitcher from t… HX machines are prized for their ability to … Content including all text and images in part or in whole may, Profitec Pro 300 vs. Host friends/family about once a month, pre-COVID. Search Advanced search ← Back to Advice • ... After much research I have narrowed it down to the Profitec 300 vs … New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Post Who is it for? I was skeptical about the PID on a HX but based on what I've read, it appears to fix the problems with a HX. It may take a touch longer to heat up than the 300’s, but I think there’s a reason that the e-61s are kind of the gold standard in this price range. Living with the Profitec 300 DB Machine. Post by Bluenoser » July 2nd, 2018, 7:02 pm, #10: Is Lelit Elisabeth or Breville Dual Boiler a downgrade from Profitec Pro 600? Lelit elizabeth vs profitec pro 300 vs quick mill evo? So for what the Pro 300 sells for ($1699 presently @ Clive Coffee) and the 500 ($1599 @ Whole Latte Love), *I* would go for the 500 (the "HX or DB" debate is another topic, … Being a single boiler, you will either have to steam your milk first and then pull your shot, or vice versa, but that allows you to really hone in your skills so you can perfect your shots and cappuccino milk, one at a time. Todd from Whole Latte Love compares the Profitec Pro 700 dual-boiler with PID and rotary pump to the Pro 500 heat-exchange machine. by JayBeck » July 2nd, 2018, 10:40 am, #5: I also make lots of milk drinks, which is why I opted for dual boiler. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I was hoping to get some opinions from first hand experience on the Profitec Pro 300 small double boilers vs the 500 HX. On the other hand, if you only plan to make occasional milk-based drinks, a lack of steam isn’t necessarily a drawback. The Profitec Pro 300 is a German designed dual boiler, saturated group head, reservoir only espresso machine with a vibratory pump and a built-in PID and shot timer. Profitec Pro 600 - $2,299. Unlike the Pro 300, you program a brew temperature offset rather than directly programming the brew boiler temperature. 30.5 wide x 45.0 deep x 39.5 mm tall, 24kg.

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